<yui_yui> (irc has its pros tho)

@yui_yui like?

<yui_yui> depending on the client, easier onboarding and use

<yui_yui> like matrix has all this stuff, irc is just "here is text box, type and press enter"

Client UI has nothing to do with IRC or Matrix.

<satdav> We have a irc bridge

<satdav> Was not aware we were releying #sumo

And IRC client aren't easier than Riot.im for most newcomers or less techy person that I know of. That was the major point for deprecating IRC in the first place. Maybe you're just more used to you IRC client ;)

<yui_yui> ah I thought you were talking about irc and matrix in general, not just the protocol

<yui_yui> and it depends

<yui_yui> hexchat problly isn't going to be all that simple, but then you have stuff like kiwiirc and freenode's webchat

Try login to your moz irc account vs. clicking on a button to log with SSO on Matrix.

<satdav> Is sumo on freenode

@satdav nope

It's on the Mozilla IRC server

<satdav> I know freenode webchat is kiwi irc

<yui_yui> ok fair thats true, sign on with SSO is easier, but still imo it can be confusing for a new users (especially with how its handled currently)

<satdav> Kiwi might add Autho

<yui_yui> oh huh they changed it, freenode used to use qwebirc which was dead simple

Well there's more people non-techy people in here than on IRC. It kind of talk for itself.

<satdav> Yip that's away haci in the days

<yui_yui> I'm aware of that, however I still feel that matrix also adds some confusing things that irc doesn't have (like homeservers and identity servers)

Users don't have to deal with that.

<satdav> We will be keeping telegram

<yui_yui> yeah but its still shown to the user

<satdav> And I think we should move to freenode

you need to dig deep in the settings for that.

<satdav> As most others have now like Mozilla uk

It's like saying FF is hard because you can open about:config

<yui_yui> no you don't, its shown directly on the login screen, even before you get to the sign in with SSO button

it just shows the name on that page. No one is confused by that. Everyone will just click on the big blue button :P

<yui_yui> eh I still feel it could be confusing, and if everyone is ignoring it, then why even bother to have it there in the first place

Cause that's the default settings and I guess no one has bother to change it :)

<yui_yui> then they should be changed imo, since I feel like it could confuse new users (like "why does it say my identity server is some random website? I want to log into mozilla? is this hacked?")

@yui_yui I recommend you to join the Matrix server and share your feedback on #synchronicity:mozilla.org

<yui_yui> I have already

<yui_yui> several times

I think the hacked fear is a bit overreacting

I mean login to freenode via kiwiirc doesn't look better on that side either

It's even worst

@satdav I don't know if they aren't going to keep the telegram.

<yui_yui> eh maybe, tho I've seen that conclusion been jumped to before, so I wouldn't rule it out

<satdav> We should bridge matrix and here

Sincerely, I'd hope we don't unless it's as transparent as the IRC bridge in matrix. It's very annoying to see tons of messages relayed by a bot.

<yui_yui> isn't that the point of the relay?

It also adds an other surface of attack for spam and trolls.

<satdav> This iscrekey to irc

@yui_yui when I use the matrix bridge to talk on IRC, people see me like if I was an IRC user, that's not the case with the telegram bot.

<yui_yui> ah

I can't quickly mention someone on telegram or see them in the userlist.

However, I see IRC users.

"Good morning, good afternoon or good evening as applicable, to everyone present. This is your notice that at noon Eastern time, in approximately eighty minutes, IRC.mozilla.org will shut down and formally decomissioned." -- from Mike Hoye

See everyone on the other side :)

I guess there is not long left now, and there are more worthy members of the community than me to have the last comment. It has been a privilege to have used this platform to connect with the Mozilla community and I remain very grateful for the role it has played in helping me to be involved as a contributor to Mozilla. Thank you.

<jens1o> 👍 :)

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<jens1o> you're alive, yet?

Seburo (IRC): there's someone writing a replacement for firebot called botzilla ;)

DannyColin-M: Very glad to hear it. :-)

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