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CaptainTobin
There, Phoebus Account Registration and Verification is done.. If anyone cares.
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CaptainTobin
sup Mc
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frg_away
Happy Sunday Mc therube
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therube
:-)
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hrosik
hi, I checked the blog the other day... have the plans for the future cleared up a bit since the half of December?
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frg_away
hrosik No we are still working on getting the next minor version out. This will be 2.49.5 Planned major is still 2.57
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hrosik
frg_away: 2.57 based on FF57?
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frg_away
ESR60
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hrosik
wow!
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hrosik
looking further - fork latest working codebase or replicate SM functionality in XHTML/JS?
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frg_away
I wish I know. Probably the end of the line unless more devs pop up.
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IanN
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IanN
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Lightkey
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» Lightkey runs
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IanN
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IanN
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IanN
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IanN
Who's taking minutes?
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frg
Me
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IanN
thanks frg
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IanN
Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank?
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frg
wait a minute to see if the others pop up?
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IanN
!summon rsx11m
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foxbot
IanN: Error: "summon" is not a valid command.
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» IanN bops foxbot on the metal head
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frg
Hi rsx11m
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IanN
see it worked, silly foxbot
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IanN
hi rsx11m
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IanN
hi ewong
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frg
Hi ewong
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ewong
hi IanN, frg
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rsx11m
hi frg IanN ewong foxbot
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IanN
!knight frg
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foxbot
IanN: Error: "knight" is not a valid command.
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IanN
anyway, Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank?
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ewong
hi rsx11m
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frg
ewong for the initial infra.
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ewong
frg: it's not 100% up and running.. so that nomination is a bit premature
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IanN
ewong: for his magic with kallithea
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frg
ewong I don't care. It is a huge task and not the end of the way :)
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IanN
seconded
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IanN
Action Items
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IanN
wb Mc
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frg
Hi Mc
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Mc
hi all
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IanN
I've started doing some updates to the website, but doing in small chunks so I, hopefully, won't break anything
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IanN
I did think whether we could somehow switch to the way TB and Firefox do websites, but not sure where to start with that
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frg
Saw it. We should remove the mozilla logo from the first page too. And more of the links.
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ewong
IanN, Frg, try the buildbot again
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frg
TB and Fx pages are a whole new ballgame I think. Multilingual.
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IanN
frg: yeah, not high on the list but something for the future
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IanN
anything on action items?
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frg
still looking to update contirbutors etc.
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IanN
yeah, lots to do
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IanN
Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure
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rsx11m
frg: I've added us to
bug 1515507
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foxbot
Bug
bugzilla.mozilla.org/1515507 normal, --, ---, iann_bugzilla, ASSIGNED , Update SM Web Site to include references to SM EV
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frg
rsx11m saw it. Thanks
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IanN
I better work on that then...
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rsx11m
8-)
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IanN
new infra's being worked on
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IanN
trying to iron out some wrinkles to allow 2.49.5 release
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frg
Well me too.
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rsx11m
bug 1521254 looks weird...
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foxbot
Bug
bugzilla.mozilla.org/1521254 critical, --, ---, nobody, NEW , EOF occurred in violation of protocol (_ssl.c:661)
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ewong
yeah :(
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IanN
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foxbot
Bug
bugzilla.mozilla.org/1521258 normal, --, ---, nobody, NEW , getting rust backtrace while building c-c linux64 nightly
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rsx11m
Mercurial issue with recent versions?
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ewong
the first is driving me nuts... I'm thinking of reboothing the master
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IanN
ewong: what mercurial version is it on?
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rsx11m
version 4.5.3
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frg
Seems to be a common problem:
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frg
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IanN
ewong: does a new clone work (into a different location)?
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ewong
IanN: no.. can't even clone anything
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IanN
ewong: strange, I've just cloned with 4.5.3 locally and it works
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ewong
no.. it's the master.. going through what frg linked and see if something comes up
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frg
pretty old probably no relevant and different problem.
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rsx11m
looks like a collection of multiple issues exposed with the requests package
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rsx11m
(which hg doesn't seem to be using)
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IanN
ewong: what version of openssl is installed?
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frg
mozbuild is now at 4.8.1 I am still using Tortoise 4.6.1 Later thg versions seem to use memory aplenty with queue patches. Not sure if it is a bug.
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rsx11m
also, the reference to PyOpenSSL may be helpful to check (?)
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ewong
the problem is, it *used* to work.. it only started futzing sometime ago..
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IanN
anyway, Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree
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frg
It builds thanks to Bill. Need to remember him for the next FotFT :)
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frg
All patches for 2.49.5 are in. I will do further backports when we start building.
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rsx11m
thumbs up!
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frg
Backporting becomes harder and harder with 52. 56 now has most of the preliminaries in but I won't do this with 52.
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frg
mail structure has been more or less aligned with TB so porting should be easier.
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frg
or lets say more straightforward.
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IanN
frg: straight forward is good :)
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frg
xul tree is being removed piecemeal. Still see no future beyond 2.57. Maybe TB can keep up so that we have a chance later if we want.
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rsx11m
:-/
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frg
classic ad-ons will be a goner for sure in 68.
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rsx11m
next merge is scheduled for tomorrow, btw.
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ewong
oh yay...;/
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IanN
frg: I see that TB have switched to WebExtension dictionaries and are planning to for 60.5 too
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rsx11m
within an ESR cycle?
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frg
rsx11m can you request the flags then? We are also missing 2.63+ in Version now. Not really needed there because it is usually old or trunk.
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rsx11m
frg: I'll do so once they've actually completed the merges, just cloning the bug I'd think
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frg
rsx11m yes. We might need to do something about language packs too.
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rsx11m
nice :-P
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IanN
Are we sort of on Release Train now?
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frg
And it seems they are ripping out support for non taskcluster. We probably need to switch to a local "alike" build process.
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rsx11m
IanN: I'd think so
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frg
For release train esr52 updates are in place. M-esr52 tree is closed. Not sure if we need buildbot changes to account for this. Pushes need to have closed tree.
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frg
c-esr52 is still open. I usually push to the default banch and then merge to our esr branch.
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frg
My pet release 2.53 is now close to a 1000 patches combined :)
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rsx11m
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IanN
rsx11m: not seen anything
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frg
Mapi
bug 393302 has been fixed. So a Windows x64 is fully functional now. Put it in 2.53 for testing. Full y fixed in Bills next build.
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foxbot
Bug
bugzilla.mozilla.org/393302 major, --, Thunderbird 66.0, mikekaganski, RESOLVED FIXED, Can't "send-to" (MAPI) using Seamonkey and Thunderbird X86_64-bit
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frg
rsx11m pushed one bug first to see if I stir the natives and after it did fine put the whole bunch in :D
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rsx11m
sure will be good to get 2.49.5 out and keep the community happy ... 8-)
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frg
If the mapi fixes stick I will backport to 2.49.x Should be possible.
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IanN
all sounds good
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IanN
Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking
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frg
Not much new here. Sitll plan to look into DOMi and do final patches for 2.57.
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frg
l10n bug still open so we can't build l10m with them.
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IanN
ok, thanks
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IanN
2.x, 2.next, Feature List, Planning & Roundtable
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frg
nothing from me.
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rsx11m
nothing new
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IanN
or me
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IanN
any AOB?
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rsx11m
nope
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ewong
laterz .. gotta sleep
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frg
Will probably be a bit busy in the next weeks so replies during the week may be late.
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rsx11m
ewong|away: gotta have breakfast ;-)
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rsx11m
next meeting February 3rd?
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rsx11m
(apparently everybody has left already...)
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frg
Sounds like a plan
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IanN
rsx11m: yes, next meeting in 2 weeks
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frg
rsx11m no looking at the infra in parallel
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rsx11m
ok, see you in 14 days again
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rsx11m
bye!
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frg
bye
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frg_away
status meeting notes are up. Rather short but everything is progressing at last :)
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frg_away
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hrosik
frg_away: what is the differnce fighting with mozilla-central changes between SM and TB?
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frg_away
hrosik we have the browser to fix up. And more and more support for non Firefox features is removed. Also bookmarks api has been gutted, full theme and rss support removed and and and. It would probably be a pale shadow of the current SeaMonkey.
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hrosik
frg_away: hmm... how are they actually handling XUL deprecation?
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hrosik
I've been toying with the idea of trying
github.com/browserhtml/browserhtml
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hrosik
which could theoretically be a viable option in the long run
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frg_away
servo as a full blown browser is dead.
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hrosik
frg_away: it is?
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hrosik
well, it actually doesn't matter whether it's going to be Servo or Gecko with parts from Servo
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frg_away
hrosik Gecko will be construction site for years if it survives and that I doubt. You can do a small project with volunteers but not something that big. Someone might pull the plug in the future and then it becomes interesting :)
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hrosik
frg_away: what would be the reasons for not surviving? financial implosion of MoCo?
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frg_away
market share is down and still does. Kept afloat by google money mostly. Financials are currently ok. They already try to invest in other things like pocket and sponsored advertizing ehh I mean helpful suggestions. I don't know what will happen but I have a hunch. If I am right or wrong it won't help SeaMonkey.
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hrosik
from my pov, that breaking of codebase would have to be really profound to kill it - given how it survived 3 (or 4?) changes in add-on intrerfaces
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hrosik
but I guess it could marginalize Gecko to under 5%
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hrosik
funny thing how Google killed the web...