especially since it works fine when it is not async :/

and thus has no boxfuture

erica: I remember seeing this error in the past but I'm not sure what to do about it

Also, this IRC channel really isn't that active any more, maybe try the Discord server

The link is in the topic

hm

i know, irc is going offline in a few hours

long live IRC!

;_;

RIP Mozilla IRC

It used to be so lively

booooo discordapp.com.

we've got an OFTC channel, a Freenode channel, and a Matrix channel

can someone help me understand this lifetime match error? it does not happen when the fn is not async and thus does not require the box future: play.rust-lang.org/?version=stable&…st=4274761d37140a5b6e4cd4a16925bf5a

it even says type mismatch but then talks about lifetimes

I still hold that this was a mistake.

Rust should've moved to Matrix (like Mozilla!), not discordapp.com..

mmmm closed platforms

Perfect for an open project... wait

op, we're still here

Moongoodgirl: except rust moved way before mozilla even started considering alternatives

june: Matrix was well-established before Rust moved to discordapp.com..

well-established in comparison to discord?

clearly all the gamers in rust were eager to jump ship to that awful platform

/well-established/ does not imply /good/. I hadn't gone there yet. discordapp.com. was also well-established by that time, though it's pretty terrible.

Both platforms have their advantages and disadvantages

Matrix federates with IRC and it's open source

Discord works

discordapp.com. is a single-centralized, closed-source platform that denies freedoms to users

it is absolutely unsuitable for use by a FOSS project.

I mean, has Rust forsaken its roots?

yes

It started kind of as a /Mozilla/ thing.

Wow. That's sad.

Also, I don't believe you. :V

cjd: federates*

*: on a good day

discordapp.com. is down every week, too, so that's not exactly an advantage

oh, that's sad

and I meant well-established. ask an average internet user if they've heard of discord and ask if they've heard of matrix (no, not the film)

they probably won't know about either one :D

An average Internet user won't have heard of Rust (no, not the game) either.

if you ranked messaging platforms by how aware people are of them I'd bet matrix wouldn't even make top 7

I guess that means we should pack up and go home, no need for any IM platform?

I'm not even confident it would rank above IRC

attention everycreature!

Most people haven't heard of Rust!

That means that it's not suitable for general use!

ok but messaging platforms are not nearly as niche as programming languages

we're done here, shut it down

also I have a counterpoint

Rust was mentioned in a superbowl commercial

it's mainstream now

everyone has heard of it

Anyway, mere popularity isn't a good reason to choose something.

actually, it's a pretty bad reason, on its own

I'm not saying it's a good reason, I'm saying it was (part of) the reason

there are way more important things

network effects are always strong

i am not sure what stackoverflow popularity means. it seems pointless when nobody really uses in terms of %

/And./ Rust has never exactly gone the popular route.

Ownership and borrowing, anycreature?

well why do you think rust moved to discord then?

I don't think they had any good reasons

it's popular and it works*

hey is anyone still bitter about the rust-lang.org redesign :P

not really

if you couldn't already tell, how something looks doesn't matter as much to me as other things :V

(*: if /down every week/ can count as /works/)

I've also heard creatures complaining about messages being delayed and duplicated on discordapp.com..

it's incredible what people will tolerate as long as you give them emoji reactions

It's almost like it has the same issues as matrix.org..(!)

does matrix have emoji reactions?

Which most of the rest of Matrix doesn't have (as far as I know)

somehow I don't know the answer

june: It does

does their shitty IRC bridge turn those into TAGMSG if it can?

what's the status of TAGMSG?

TAGMSG and related stuff is standardized, but +draft/reply is not

+draft/reply and +draft/react

I'm invested in IRC software so I'm bitter about people abandoning IRC instead of investing in making it better going forward

like look we could have emoji reactions if we all put in some work to modernize IRC clients!

IRC is unfortunately dead due to politics

lol what politics

IRCv3 was a flop, nobody agrees on anything

that's... not true at all?

centralized systems, for better or worse, can decide to adopt a change

lol

nobody agrees on anything -- that's... not true at all :D

there are a bunch of ratified ircv3 specs that are implemented by popular ircds

and freenode ?

freenode is shit

isn't it the biggest right now ?

it's not entirely refusing to implement ircv3 though

I think it might do better than mozilla irc even....

:cherryh.freenode.net CAP * LS :account-notify away-notify cap-notify chghost extended-join identify-msg multi-prefix sasl tls

:collins.mozilla.org CAP 381ACXSL7 LS :multi-prefix sasl userhost-in-names

LOL

Interesting Signal doesn't quote user count

wtf is ebuddy

literally never heard that before

i tried fixing this all night but no luck, using no async function works fine, so i am really puzzled why there is a lifetime mismatch in a type error: play.rust-lang.org/?version=stable&…st=4274761d37140a5b6e4cd4a16925bf5a

lol WeChat and Tencent QQ are in positions 1 and 4 and they're both the same company

What a sorry state.

We can and should do better, as a collective.

?

yes everyone should install my irc software

erica: I fiddled with that for a bit earlier and couldn't figure it out :<

erica: What are you trying to do? {~xy}

The XY problem is asking about the solution you've attempted, when there may be a better approach to your problem if you explain it in full. More at meta.stackexchange.com/a/66378

Moongoodgirl: just storing an async function provided by the user

with a set signature

removing the async and boxfuture removes the problem... but ye.s.

well, I managed to make it slightly simpler, but it still has the same error: play.rust-lang.org/?version=stable&…st=e7ce3d69ca2e03a74c233c3f38fb4474

Moongoodgirl: hm, i wish i would understand it in the first place :/

yeah, I don't grok what's going on here, myself

i cannot figure it out, if anyone has a tip on this lifetime mismatch, i would be very glad to know, the error is very tricky to understand for me: play.rust-lang.org/?version=stable&…st=e7aa8880b623d75095b0f8fa5141da30

it also works when i use values instead of references, but that defeats the purpose

well... first off you're requiring 'static for the future, instead of binding it to the function arguments

which is where the error is coming from

but then fixing that... not sure it's possible

erica: ^

Mutabah: strange :( it would work fine if it was not async :/

Yes, becuase async

`async fn foo(&T)` is sugar for `fn foo<'a>(&'a T) -> impl Future<Output=()> + 'a`

Mutabah: so there is no way to do this? i mean, there obviously should be? as seen, what the function does is feasible and verifiable by the compiler (see struct construction)

It should be, but it requires more complex bounds on the function

and I don't think that level of complexity can be encoded currently

Mutabah: oh, hm. is there an rfc to look for maybe?

not that I'm aware of

maybe you'd have better luck on discord, or on Freenode ##rust

oh, unfortunate, both services do not recognise my exotic email as okay, but that's another problem

hello

I got a proble

can anybody help me?

just ask

my first time to run the binary programe, but it wrong, something like this: error: aborting due to previous error error: could not compile `date`.

how to fix this?

There will be more to that error than jsut that, it will say why it failed to compile that crate

what are you trying to compile?

just print a string type in the screen

Is `date` the name of your crate, or is it a crate you've imported?

i didnt

but the I've been read the rust book, it tell me dont need to import some crate in my programe

can you proivide the full error message (from shell prompt to shell prompt) in a gist?

john@eml:~/date$ cargo run date

Compiling date v0.1.0 (/home/john/date)

error: linking with `cc` failed: exit code: 1

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A feature I wish discord had

I did say "in a gist"

that seems to be a linking error, maybe you're missing a working gcc install? (rustc uses the system C compiler for linking)

i've already installed

We only saw the first four lines of your paste, becuase the server kicked you on the fifth

do you have the rest of the error?

no

well then, it's hard to help

(and unforturnately, I'm falling asleep and will have to sign off soon)

If you read the topic, you'll see that this server is sutting down soon, you might find other people online in the other chat locatins - discord or freenode

that's ok, thank you for help

hey, getting this error when installing tectonic using `cargo install tectonic` on 1.41.0 0x0.st/icpP.png

it's still alive!