• skade
    theJPster: I wouldn't know of anything
  • booyaa[
    rust north is saved! huzzah!
  • booyaa[
    turns out one of my speakers for this month has stepped in :)
  • booyaa[
    i suspect more remote talks in my future lol
  • booyaa[
    i've got one due next monday for rust edinburgh
  • badboy
    \o/
  • pflanze
    What is Rust north?
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  • pflanze
    booyaa[, did you add my Google account to the calendar? I still don't seem to have access.
  • badboy
    pflanze: what mail?
  • pflanze
    chrjae⊙gmail.com
  • badboy
    (if you mean the rust community calendar)
  • pflanze
    yes
  • badboy
    let me check and add it
  • badboy
    you
  • badboy
    you're on it now
  • pflanze
    Thanks.
  • pflanze
    Works, thanks badboy!
  • badboy
    you're welcome
  • erickt
    Hey folks! I’m going to be 5-10 minutes late to the meeting. Could someone start it for me?
  • theJPster
    Could I stick on a quick item on the agenda about Cambridge Rust?
  • booyaa[
    theJPster: go for it, still time methinks
  • ag_dubs
    here for the meeting
  • ag_dubs
    ok i'mma help out @erickt
  • ag_dubs
    hey ya'll! who is here for the meeting?
  • ag_dubs
  • ag_dubs
    there are currently no agenda items - so please add some if you have them
  • ag_dubs
    cc @booyaa[ @theJPster
  • ag_dubs
    others?
  • ag_dubs
    @skade @jntrnr @sebasmagri @edunham|conference
  • » edunham|conference on phone on transit, only sorta here
  • ag_dubs
    got it! thanks for letting me know
  • » jntrnr is on phone on plane
  • ag_dubs
    i'm getting a sense that perhaps we are not having a meeting today
  • ag_dubs
    well, the thing i wanted to talk about was RustBridge, how it went in Zurich and thoughts and plans for the future
  • ag_dubs
    on thing that was clear was that people new to Rust and people new to programming in general have a lot of trouble learning side by side and have different needs
  • ag_dubs
    so if the event is organized like that, it is critical to have many mentors
  • ag_dubs
    additionally, i think it might be worth writing up what a mentors role is and how to be a good one
  • ag_dubs
    i think in general, i would like to strengthen the focus of rust bridge to be people who are used to programming in one language and are moving to rust
  • ag_dubs
    because i dont think rust is in a place yet where we can accomplish anything in ~4-5hrs for someone brand new to programming
  • ag_dubs
    i'm curious about thoughts re that so def reach out to me if you have thoughts
  • ag_dubs
    the second thing is that i got a lot of people interested in running a rustbridge in other places- Brazil and Nice France
  • ag_dubs
    oh! also Kiev
  • ag_dubs
    they wanted a type of "RustBridge in a box" and were curious if there were things required to "call it a RustBridge"
  • ag_dubs
    so that's something i am going to be working on and would love others thoughts, cc @sebasmagri @carols10cents
  • erickt
    Hello! I’m out of my car now and catching up
  • Manishearth
    ag_dubs: we could have a mini meeting i guess
  • carols10cents
    ohai
  • Manishearth
    o/
  • ag_dubs
    oh hello
  • ag_dubs
    lemme finish my lil monologue i guess
  • erickt
    K
  • ag_dubs
    which is just finally, Rust Bridge at Rust Belt Rust, i'll tweet about it from the twitter soon and get the form link so if you can share plz help thanks
  • ag_dubs
    FIN
  • » theJPster is back
  • Manishearth
    i think we were pretty liberal about what it took for something to be a rustbridge in the past (this might have been before you were coordinating these? this was a while ago, and then there was a long gap of no rustbridge activity)
  • ag_dubs
    yeah i was actually involved in the first one and set the stage with a small group for what is currently "rustbridge"
  • Manishearth
    but I think constraining it further but also having a kit making it easy to replicate (which we ... kind of ... have) is ok
  • ag_dubs
    we actually dont have a kit at al
  • carols10cents
  • Manishearth
    ag_dubs: which "first one"?
  • ag_dubs
    Berlin
  • Manishearth
    ah ok
  • Manishearth
    yeah
  • Manishearth
    ag_dubs: wait, at rustfest? I thought we had some of these run before too?
  • ag_dubs
    i dont know but i believe i was told that the one at rustfest was the first
  • carols10cents
  • ag_dubs
    but i dont think it completely matters
  • ag_dubs
    thanks carol these are really helpful
  • carols10cents
    if you're organizing an event and wonder if it could be considered a RailsBridge Workshop, we have two requirements:
  • carols10cents
    The event should be free of charge.
  • carols10cents
    The event should target a group of people that is underrepresented in tech, such as LGBTQ folks, women, black or latinx people, or others.
  • carols10cents
    If you're not doing those two things, you can totally still use the site, we just ask that you not call your event a RailsBridge workshop.
  • carols10cents
    yeah like that railsbridge site is more of a "kit"
  • bstrie
    meeting!
  • Manishearth
    ag_dubs: yeah i think we had some stuff in its previous incarnation but w/e
  • carols10cents
    right now you have to like dig around in multiple different places
  • Manishearth
    I think the current format is Working and what we had before was experimentation
  • ag_dubs
    yeah so that's pretty much what i told people but they were also curious about having the curriculum we use written down
  • erickt
    ag_dubs: I agree that rust isn't yet at a place for new programmers. I also thought the rustbridge at rustconf was great
  • ag_dubs
    and so its on me to get the compliment site stuff written down, and perhaps a document re how we use exercism
  • ag_dubs
    the preso alredy exists which is very useful
  • ag_dubs
    yeah the rustconf one worked cuz we have 8 mentors :) it was awesome
  • erickt
    yeah. I thought it'd be really easy to take it and run an event elsewhere
  • Manishearth
    "target" is a bit underdefined there and folks tend to be confused about that though I'm not sure if it's worth it to overspecify
  • erickt
    yeah that might have helped :)
  • ag_dubs
    but at rustfest i basically made steve do it, and one person showed up and said they'd liek to try to help
  • ag_dubs
    ok i am feeling overwhelmed by too many threads
  • carols10cents
    erickt: we won't really know if it's easy to take and run an event elsewhere til someone does it ;)
  • ag_dubs
    yeah
  • carols10cents
    erickt: also you should run the meeting now
  • ag_dubs
    tbh i *dont* think it is easy
  • erickt
    carols10cents: on it. I did want to talk about this when ag_dubs got back from rustfest
  • erickt
    ag_dubs: for certain degrees of easy :)
  • erickt
    how did rustfest go with only two helpers?
  • ag_dubs
    i think it was OK. i think it was very useful for people who had programming background and it was hard for those who didnt
  • ag_dubs
    additionally some people showed up who just wanted to learn how to teach, but they were not very respectful of the learners so that made it harder to go slower and keep it at a lower level
  • ag_dubs
    this i think indicates taht many people want to do a rustbridge but want a teacher training
  • ag_dubs
    whcih is something i encountered before with nodetogether
  • erickt
    was it advertised as appropriate for people without a programming background?
  • ag_dubs
    i dont have a great solution yet tho
  • ag_dubs
    it was advertised for both
  • ag_dubs
    based on the rustconf exp
  • erickt
    that's interesting. maybe at rbr we could organize a training session (I still don't know if I can make it though...)
  • ag_dubs
    the complicated part is, if i am teaching rustbridge AND a teacher session
  • ag_dubs
    there's only one of me
  • carols10cents
    erickt: MAKE IT
  • ag_dubs
    so, i think we need to have multiple workshop days or like, an online training maybe
  • carols10cents
    also only so many rooms
  • ag_dubs
    and yeah it also requires a curriculum and prep
  • carols10cents
    online is a great idea!
  • erickt
    ++
  • ag_dubs
    yeah online was what worked for nodetogether
  • erickt
    I love the idea
  • booyaa[
    me too, will go off and google to learn abit more about how the online stuff is org'd
  • ag_dubs
    so yeah i can try to work on that but i think the first step is writing down the curriculum, writing down all the administrative stuff, writing a values statement
  • ag_dubs
    so i'm thinking like... teacher training... jan 2018
  • ag_dubs
    at the earliest
  • erickt
    ag_dubs: if you did training material for nodetogether, can you point us to your teaching docs?
  • ag_dubs
    sure
  • ag_dubs
    i have to figure out what their state is now that i handed the program over to the node community committee
  • ag_dubs
    but i can
  • ag_dubs
    @booyaa[ what do you mean by how online stuff is org'd
  • erickt
    sure, january seems reasonable (but that's also when I'm out cuz baby!)
  • booyaa[
    ag_dubs: interested in how it works do you use something like an electronic class room system?
  • erickt
    ag_dubs: do you think we ought to wait for training before we encourage others to use the bridge materials to run events?
  • ag_dubs
    ok no, so the training stays simple
  • ag_dubs
    its a google hangout
  • booyaa[
    ah okay
  • ag_dubs
    i dont like high tech shenanigans for this
  • ag_dubs
    i dont have enough time to prep and i dont think it is necessary
  • ag_dubs
    i dont think people will do it without training but i would have to ask them, they seem to want training
  • erickt
    I was more asking about "should we tell people they should wait" if they haven't run an event anymore
  • erickt
    err
  • erickt
    *run an event yet
  • ag_dubs
    no i dont think so
  • ag_dubs
    but also are there people you have to tell to wait?
  • ag_dubs
    i dont think that's a sitch we have atm
  • erickt
    mainly I don't want to make attendees to suffer
  • erickt
    naw, but I have been planning for months on trying to pull something together in the bay area
  • ag_dubs
    i think i covered the reasonable next steps
  • ag_dubs
    and i feel OK with the plan
  • erickt
    me too
  • ag_dubs
    if people want to help, lemme know
  • ag_dubs
    i would like to move on to literally anything else
  • erickt
    heh
  • erickt
    ok
  • booyaa[
    ag_dubs: if we want, just start participating in teh rustbridge repo?
  • booyaa[
    (to help)
  • ag_dubs
    so i have the rustbridge org now
  • erickt
    well the big agenda item I have is that I'm gonna be taking a leave of absence come January, because baby and they apparently demand attention
  • ag_dubs
    and i will open issues on the meta repo
  • booyaa[
    kk
  • erickt
    so I wanted to ask all y'all if anyone wants to volunteer to help pushing the agenda for a few months
  • erickt
    assuming I'm dazed and confused for some period of time after the kid shows up
  • erickt
    I figure we can at least rotate who is running the meetings
  • ag_dubs
    i would be happy to help volunteer
  • ag_dubs
    tho i felt as tho my attempt today was not terribly successful :(
  • erickt
    it was great!
  • booyaa[
    me too, once i shift back to gmt
  • ag_dubs
    i think the key thing is people being on time and having discussion points
  • erickt
    yep. We also ought to start organizing some of our bigger agenda items. One of the ideas that jntrnr, aturon and I batted around was trying to shift when the community survey came out, to better align with the annual agenda
  • ag_dubs
    oh that seems like a good idea
  • erickt
    so we might need to kick that off earlier.
  • erickt
    having 2018 being the year of rustbridge would be great too, so the training aligns well with that
  • erickt
    oh, and I guess we should start planning underhanded 2018 soon too
  • erickt
    but I figure we can start doing that before I leave
  • erickt
    carols10cents: you okay bubbling things up to the core team while I'm out?
  • carols10cents
    erickt: sure
  • ag_dubs
    what does "being the year of rustbridge" mean exactly
  • ag_dubs
    i think while there is a lot of interest in helping we still haven't seen much of a coordinated effort (this is a failing on my part and i'm working on it)
  • erickt
    ag_dubs: I mean we should actually get some more events organized around the world. so it's not just you, carols10cents, and sebasmagri running them :)
  • ag_dubs
    sure. i think we should get the team together and set goals and see how that goes- i'm wary of getting too ambitious
  • erickt
    sounds good to me
  • erickt
    so then the last thing I had was if anyone wants to help organizing the next underhanded
  • sebasmagri
    sorry! I've been dumped with work... But I look forward to having more RustBridge mentors/sessions... We have one pending on Florida if there's anyone interested on helping...
  • erickt
    sebasmagri: no worries!
  • erickt
    really? that's great!
  • ag_dubs
    yeah! let me know when so i can update the website
  • sebasmagri
    sure thing ag_dubs
  • erickt
    I'll create a ticket to gather up folks for underhanded
  • erickt
    I guess the last last thing I had, skade, I'm not sure if you're around, but is novemb.rs happening again this year?
  • erickt
    but beyond that I think I'm done. Anyone else have any agenda items?
  • erickt
    (ticket for finding underhanded organizers: rust-community/team #192)
  • erickt
    if not, then I guess I'll gavel this meeting adjourned!
  • erickt
    thanks everyone
  • erickt
    and thanks ag_dubs for running it this morning!
  • skade
    erickt: I'll not rerun novemb.rs, it wasn't meeting its goals.
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