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omcat-mob
man fennec rocks
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bc
Tomcat|MUC: you'll need to pull from linux01 to pick up a unicode fix.
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omcat|MUC
bc: yeah will do when i'm at home again
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bc
Tomcat|MUC: where are you?
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omcat|MUC
MuC -> Munich :) opensource meetup
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bc
ah
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omcat|MUC
but will be home in 5 hours :)
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bc
cool
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jhammel
Tomcat|MUC: so why is it Munich in the U.S. and Munchen there? just because the English like renaming things?
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» jhammel still doesn't understand how Deutschland became Germany
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omcat|MUC
heh
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omcat|MUC
jhammel: well good question :) maybe because Muenchen is too difficult for non-Germans :)
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omcat|MUC
and so we needed a english name :)
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omcat|MUC
Munich/Muenchen has even a different name in italy :)
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jhammel
Tomcat|MUC: weird :)
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omcat|MUC
heh maybe its also to confuse frankonian fans like jmaher|afk ;)
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ctalbert
what's MUC?
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omcat|MUC
MuC -> Munich :) opensource meetup
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ctalbert
Ah cool!
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ctalbert
Have a Koingstrizer for me!
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omcat|MUC
i show BOYB and fennec here
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omcat|MUC
ctalbert: no beer here :)
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ctalbert
:(
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ctalbert
That sounds cool. You're showing fennec on your new n900?
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omcat|MUC
heh not allowed here, because youth city event location :)
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omcat|MUC
that was for beer :)
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ctalbert
Ah makes sense
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omcat|MUC
ctalbert:yeah on the n900 :)
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jhammel
Tomcat|MUC: heh, i thought you meant showing fennec ;)
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ctalbert
that will be sweet
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ctalbert
Tomcat|MUC: tell the MUC folks that we said "Hallo" from California
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omcat|MUC
ctalbert: yeah :) also good timing, we will have some journalists here
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omcat|MUC
and some press reports said we stopped fennec completly
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omcat|MUC
(instead of only on Windows Mobile)
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ctalbert
What? Did they misread Pav's blogpost?
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omcat|MUC
so they can see that fennec is alive
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omcat|MUC
yeah
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ctalbert
Tomcat|MUC: I'll send them my schedule and that will show them that no we have not stopped fennec.
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jhammel
Tomcat|MUC: isn't that twice in the last two weeks the German press misunderstood us?
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omcat|MUC
some very stange reports
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omcat|MUC
from "we do not care about windows mobile users and leave them alone etc) till Mozilla dropped Mobile plans and stopped fennec
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jhammel
wow
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omcat|MUC
jhammel: yeah , well the "first" time it was a goverment agency
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jhammel
Tomcat|MUC: true
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omcat|MUC
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omcat|MUC
"But even if Windows 7 is on the phone market, it will first be many owners of a Windows Mobile smart phones that could use a mobile Firefox. Zumal der Internet Explorer in Windows Mobile allgemein als wenig komfortabel in der Bedienung gilt. Especially as the Internet Explorer in Windows Mobile is generally considered inconvenient to use. Aber diese Kundenbasis interessiert Mozilla offenbar nicht. But this customer base, Mozilla does not seem in
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omcat|MUC
err sorry for the german text ;) but that was one of the strange articles
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ctalbert
cool, thanks
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omcat|MUC
ctalbert: will inform melissa later also
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ctalbert
good plan
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omcat|MUC
btw any n900 experts here :)
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omcat|MUC
i was asked if something on the n900 can read ical :)
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ctalbert
I believe the n900's calendar application can
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ctalbert
Tomcat|MUC: ^
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omcat|MUC
ah cool
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omcat|MUC
thx :)
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ctalbert
bc, ready for meeting?
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bc
just a sec
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ctalbert
lol. the lanikai nightly has put a white box in the middle of my screen that won't go away
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» ctalbert reboots
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bc
ctalbert: go
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jhammel
ctalbert|mtg: ping?
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ctalbert|m
sorry 5 mins more
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jhammel
ctalbert|mtg: k, thanks
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ahal
Hey everyone, this is your future coop student
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jhammel
ahal: hey! good to meet you
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jhammel
ahal: when are you joining us?
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harth
welcome to #ateam ahal!
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jgriffin
yes, welcome! and where are you coming from (for those of us not in the know)?
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bc
scrum: working skip algorithm under testing, reproducible signature generation under testing (need to make sure don't add duplicates), testing external attachments. outstanding: update bug triage during history update.
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bc
harth: next.
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harth
just got some awesome headphones, also got the backend in place for filtering crashes by branch, os, and triage, working on UI for toggling those right now. want to get a few things done by the end of the week, like limiting the number of assertions shown to speed things up.
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harth
jhammel: you're next
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jhammel
cleaned up the patch for Mozmill tests for buildbot and applied it; now working on getting the tests to run
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jhammel
also generally trying to survive the firehose; mainly focusing on figuring out the buildbot system, and to a lesser degree, mozmill
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jhammel
harth: and i also just got some awesome headphones ;)
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jgriffin
I need new headphones, please do tell!
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jhammel
jgriffin: tag
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jgriffin
linky linkyu
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bc
jgriffin: we remoties don't get goodies.
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jgriffin
bc: man that makes me grumpy. I'll brb after a margarita
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jgriffin
Grafx Bot is the new Halreftest. Clint and I met with the design team on Tues, and that's the name we cooked up to replace 'Halreftest'. They're also going to make some robot graphics for it, featuring 3-D glasses. How cool is that?
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jgriffin
On the linux port, I've finished the C++ code, but ran into some linking problems on CentOS with OpenGL. I think I'm going to have to use the solution that Firefox uses, and that is load it dynamically via PR_LoadLibraryWithFlags and related functions, so I'm investigating that right now.
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harth
jgriffin: sennheiser h150 is what I got
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jgriffin
oh I've seen those, I heard they're cool
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jgriffin
ctalbert: your turn
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jhammel
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ctalbert
I just ordered some new headphones
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jhammel
maybe next model down
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ctalbert
:)
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jgriffin
cool jhammel
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jhammel
jgriffin: the robot graphics project sounds awesome
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jgriffin
yeah it's awesome we're going to have an actual logo for this project
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jhammel
:)
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ctalbert
Let's see, I am working to finish the long standing project to get the mozmill documentation up to par. Should ahve that done today. Then I'll be working on some mozmill bugs and still trying to understand what changes our Q2 goals are going through as Bmoss is fighting thorugh the director's meetings
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ctalbert
Also: everyone, I'm embargoed on talking about reviews and review feedback until next week, so we're going to put that off for a week.
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ctalbert
Besides with the goals stuff I haven't had time to prepare it all. :(
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ctalbert
Sorry about that.
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jgriffin
np, I'll just have another margarita
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ctalbert
hehe
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ctalbert
jgriffin: oh we have the meeting with legal next don't we
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jgriffin
yep
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jgriffin
to discuss the legality of margaritas at work....I"m pushing hard for it
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ctalbert
leagalize Margarita now!
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jgriffin
actually, it's to discuss the privacy policy for Grafx Bot
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jgriffin
LOL
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bc
harth: known issue: template error at qm-dashboard01 ?
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bc
ah. need port 8000
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bc
nm
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harth
bc: yeah, sorry
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harth
working off the django server to speed development
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harth
I'll reload the apache
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ctalbert|m
ahal hello!
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ctalbert
This is clint
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ctalbert
harth, bc, we should get together and talk about what crash/valgrind/assertion/needbettercodename UI 2.0 is. I want us three to come to a set of good definitions so that we can get some of the UX team experts involved to help us design a UI for it sometime next week or the week after.
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jgriffin
btw: remember that sshfs thing I used to mount a linux file system on a mac machine? I've got it working on Windows too, so can point people to the necessary software if anyone wants to use it
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ctalbert
liky!
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bc
jgriffin: yeah.
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ctalbert
er
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ctalbert
linky!
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bc
heh
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harth
yeah, sounds good
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bc
ctalbert: tomorrow?
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jgriffin
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bc
or monday/funday
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jgriffin
the windows version is :
dokan-dev.net/en/download
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jgriffin
make sure to read the README for the win version, there is some file copying you have to do
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ctalbert
bc: tomorrow will work for me. Harth?
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harth
yeah, that works
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omcat|tra
so event done
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jhammel
Tomcat|train: how was it?
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omcat|tra
great
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omcat|tra
they love fennec
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ctalbert
I'm free at 12, 3, or we could re-use the 10AM slot for some of this.
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bc
which ever
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ctalbert
is 3 too late for you bc?
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bc
nah.
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ctalbert
ok, let's do that.
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ctalbert
awesome
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omcat|tra
and personas :)
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ctalbert
and they realize that we're not killing it?
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omcat|tra
and interested in byob
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» jhammel loves personas too
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omcat|tra
ctalbert: yaeah seems they missed the articles :)
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omcat|tra
but /me found maybe a fennec layout bug ;)
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» ctalbert wonders how my friday filled up with meetings...
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bc
ctalbert: care to explain your skip stuff? i don't get it. :-(
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omcat|tra
when i load
mozilla.com/de on a beta 5 build on the n900 the bottom part has wrong rendering
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ctalbert
bc: it was one of those ideas that started out ok and ended pretty convoluted.
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ctalbert
I'm not sure it's worth it. Let me look at your latest patch first.
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bc
i think my current approach will work ok. i set the reset period to one hour. i couldn't come up with a good heuristic for that.
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ctalbert
you're storing skip in the database?
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ahal
stepped out for a bit, my names Andrew, I'll be joining you guys at the start of May and I'm coming from Ontario (uwaterloo)
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jgriffin
ahal: awesome, I'll look forward to meeting you
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ctalbert
I don't remember what 'viewdata' is
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bc
no, storing it in the worker's instance.
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ahal
and thanks for the welcome, I look forward to joining you guys
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bc
it is just a short hand to get the data for a particular keyset into the pending jobs view. it contains the precomputed start/end keys and the skip.
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bc
instance <-> memory.
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ctalbert
ahal, I just looked up your start date, and it coincides with our Work Week when all the folks who are remote will be in Mountain View, so you'll get a chance to meet the entire team at the very beginning of your internship. This is really cool because over half our team is remote.
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ctalbert
harth, myself and bmoss (and soon jhammel) are the ones in Mountain View
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jgriffin
yeah, I'm one of the "remoties"
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bc
i put that in the bug before i commented it. let me do that so it is more understandable.
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ahal
cool, nice meeting you... so what exactly does 'work week' entail?
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bc
i replaced the 4 different getPendingJobs calls with a data driven loop
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harth
we all hang out in a conference room with our laptops and work on stuff, try to get collaborative stuff done while we're all together
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bc
let me finish this reftest test of the external attachment to a 0.11 db and i'll update that patch with comments.
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harth
and margaritas
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jgriffin
that's the best part
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harth
oh wait, you probably can drink them, I forgot ):
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harth
s/can/can't
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ahal
yeah... for the first two months at least
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ctalbert
ok, I guess that's what I didn't get bc. The loop made me think that you were storing a skip for each signature
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bc
no. for each set of keys.
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» ctalbert should apply the patch it would probably make more sense
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jgriffin
how long will you be with us?
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ahal
it'll be a bit of a change
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ahal
four months
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ahal
until the end of August
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jgriffin
cool!
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ahal
so work week is just for this team then?
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ctalbert
oh I think I get it.
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harth
yep
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harth
sometimes other teams have work weeks that coincide though
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harth
we seem to always have work week at the same time as platform
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ctalbert
jgriffin: no julie yet, not sure where she is. I'll ping you when I find her.
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jgriffin
ctalbert: sounds good
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ctalbert
I think this one will just be us. But yeah we take the chance while everyone is together to do some fun things and to brainstorm and whiteboard a bunch of bigger projects
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ahal
sounds fun... someone mentioned something about a conference in Vancouver?
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ctalbert
there is...in July. It's still being planned.
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jhammel
what's the conference?
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ctalbert
jgriffin: Phong is installing purify on sm-purify
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ctalbert
it's the Mozilla Summit
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jhammel
coolz; do we all go? or how does that work?
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harth
yeah, we all go
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jhammel
awesome; i've never been to Vancouver
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jhammel
or wait, am i crazy? yes i have
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jgriffin
ctalbert: cool
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ctalbert
jhammel: that might be two different questions ;)
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ctalbert
you might be crazy AND have been to Vancouver ;p
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ahal
I've never been
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» ctalbert missed the bit at the top of the patch that defines this stuff (doh)
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jgriffin
but perhaps you haven't been to Whistler, which is a different ball of wax entirely
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jhammel
for some reason my brain transposed "Vancouver" to "Montreal"; i *have* been to Vancouver
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jhammel
must have been in front of the screen too long ;)
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ahal
anyway, I have to take off, I'll try and hang out here once in awhile
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ahal
nice meeting you all
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jhammel
jgriffin: whistler?
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jhammel
ahal: nice meeting you too!
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jgriffin
jhammel: that's the ski resort in the mountains where the actual conference is being held
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jgriffin
it's not in Vancouver itself, more like 1+ hr drive away
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jhammel
jgriffin: ah, cool; no, i haven't
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jgriffin
here's the place where we'll be staying, I guess:
fairmont.com/whistler
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jhammel
nice!!!
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ctalbert
So, bc, my idea was to try to tie the skip to specific signatures so that it would simplify the math of trying to map a given number to the set of things we shoudl skip. But as you can see in my comment, it got complicated quick. I am starting to understand this latest patch though and I think this is a better solution.
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bc
i was thinking that if the view was keyed on signatures it would be possible to do what you wanted, but it is keyed on priority, os, cpu, os version, url count.
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ctalbert
right. I was thinking it was keyed on signature
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» ctalbert just commented in the bug. I think you've got the right solution here.
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bc
k. i'll add comments and fold it into the first patch for review.
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ctalbert
sweet
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bc
i couldn't figure out a good way to recheck to see if new signatures have been added or priorities changed. i figure an hour allows me to cut down the overhead and not take too long to respond to changes in job queue. with more machines in different stages of work, the effective time will be lots less.
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ctalbert
jgriffin: we're calling in now
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jgriffin
ok I will too
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jgriffin
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jgriffin
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bc
The ship's time is now 3PM. Ding Ding Ding.
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harth
ctalbert: ping
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ctalbert
bc: true
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bc
saving an external external attachment wasn't even noticiable in terms of cpu/memory. 350K for a 5.6M log. not bad.
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ctalbert
bc: want me to call you directly?
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bc
what ever works best.
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bc
that is fine.
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bc
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Tomcat
bc: update deployed with no problem so far
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bc
Tomcat: cool. there is a problem but you won't see it until you get a crash.
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Tomcat
bc: ok and thanks for the preference hint :)
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bc
i'm working on the crash issue. it is with the extra signatures for reproducing crashes.
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Tomcat
cool